tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8247615769084489401.post7972843789023543605..comments2023-05-08T02:27:14.997-07:00Comments on Haringey Green Party Blog: Lib Dems Bend The Truth AgainMike Shaughnessyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16796480031110991460noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8247615769084489401.post-51694559129640106722008-12-04T13:07:00.000-08:002008-12-04T13:07:00.000-08:00We're delighted that people outside of the party a...We're delighted that people outside of the party are reading the blog and are leaving comments. It would be dull if we all agreed with each other on everything - lively debate and discussion is much more interesting!Sarah Mitchellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07437115161117916741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8247615769084489401.post-37013664242715175212008-12-04T13:03:00.000-08:002008-12-04T13:03:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Sarah Mitchellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07437115161117916741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8247615769084489401.post-7669247904309270522008-12-04T04:41:00.000-08:002008-12-04T04:41:00.000-08:00The 'you' is the local Lib Dems collectively.It st...The 'you' is the local Lib Dems collectively.<BR/><BR/>It states at the top of the blog that comment is welcome. It is indeed good to talk. For the record, I like Nigel Scott your winning candidate in Alexandra.<BR/><BR/>I do think though, that you Mark have displayed a rather arrogant view.Mike Shaughnessyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16796480031110991460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8247615769084489401.post-61099991009226199232008-12-04T04:24:00.000-08:002008-12-04T04:24:00.000-08:00Who's the "you"? Not my leaflet, and I've not seen...Who's the "you"? Not my leaflet, and I've not seen it. I was just commenting on your description which I stumbled on whilst searching for something else on the internet.<BR/><BR/>You've not convinced me that it's only ok to express View A (re Greens) if you also express View B (re Conservatives) at the same time. I don't see why they have to always be a matching pair? Just as with your previous comment about party membership, I don't see why that should be the only possible way of deciding how to describe a party.<BR/><BR/>That seems to me a very narrow and blinkered way of looking at things.<BR/><BR/>It's hard to read tone of voice on screen, but from the last couple of comments I get the impression that someone else commenting (factually and politely I hope) is a bit of shock to the system and possibly not even welcomed.<BR/><BR/>I think that's a shame, because more exchange of views (at least, moderately temperate) is good for politics and good for keeping minds from becoming too closed and only listening to what we want to hear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8247615769084489401.post-28584744551499397462008-12-02T08:38:00.000-08:002008-12-02T08:38:00.000-08:00I think you right James, they are are worried that...I think you right James, they are are worried that we will take votes off them, and Labour will do better than 2005. The next general election is shaping up to be big Labour/Tory scrap, and the Lib Dems and probably us too, will get squeezed.Mike Shaughnessyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16796480031110991460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8247615769084489401.post-91153824089550310652008-12-02T07:47:00.000-08:002008-12-02T07:47:00.000-08:00Firstly, if the Green Pary is as insignificant as ...Firstly, if the Green Pary is as insignificant as Mark appears to suggest, I find it odd that a local Lib Dem would condescend to comment on our humble blog. <BR/><BR/>Secondly, I suspect that the Haringey Lib Dems are a little peturbed by the prospect of local voters being offered the chance of a genuine centre-left alternative to Labour.James Pattersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02927877020002680273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8247615769084489401.post-37422084745587454382008-12-02T07:24:00.000-08:002008-12-02T07:24:00.000-08:00Yes, indeed I am refering to the local context. In...Yes, indeed I am refering to the local context. In Haringey, the Tories have no councillors, so are they, in Haringey, a tiny party? If that's what you think, you should put that in your leaflets too, but you didn't.Mike Shaughnessyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16796480031110991460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8247615769084489401.post-41709327908023678872008-12-02T06:58:00.000-08:002008-12-02T06:58:00.000-08:00Yeah, I'd say it's also fair to say that *in Harin...Yeah, I'd say it's also fair to say that *in Haringey* the Conservatives are a small party. In parts of the country Labour or the Liberal Democrats could be called a small party too. I though it was the local context you were talking about, as this started with a local leaflet?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8247615769084489401.post-115930974235493552008-12-02T02:54:00.000-08:002008-12-02T02:54:00.000-08:00Bythe same yardstick Mark, you'd have to call the ...Bythe same yardstick Mark, you'd have to call the Toties a tiny party.Mike Shaughnessyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16796480031110991460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8247615769084489401.post-1748185030761632142008-12-02T01:40:00.000-08:002008-12-02T01:40:00.000-08:001 MP and 25 councillors compared with no Green cou...1 MP and 25 councillors compared with no Green councillors sounds to me a reasonable basis for using the word "tiny".<BR/><BR/>Seems to me like you are indulging in a bit of spin yourself in implying that it's only membership numbers (which you admit you don't know) that should be used for such a comparison :-)<BR/><BR/>PS Re "environmentally friendly" paper: isn't there rather more to it than (just) recycling, such as ISO14001 and FSC Chain of Custody?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8247615769084489401.post-7053033403874594452008-12-01T09:31:00.000-08:002008-12-01T09:31:00.000-08:00What I love is when their lovely leaflets say, in ...What I love is when their lovely leaflets say, in very small print at the bottom 'Printed on either recycled or environmentally friendly paper'. What, pray, is 'environmentally friendly paper' if it is not recycled paper? Hilarious.Sarah Mitchellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07437115161117916741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8247615769084489401.post-47288553176910668142008-12-01T08:00:00.000-08:002008-12-01T08:00:00.000-08:00Surprisingly, no mention of The Guardian. It is th...Surprisingly, no mention of The Guardian. It is the most popular newspaper around here, so I hope the voters saw that piece.<BR/><BR/>The Lib Dems literature here always twists the truth regarding their electoral standing, using all kinds of misleading information and graphs. They are quite shameless about it.<BR/><BR/>Before, I think 2002 they had hardly any council seats, but their rise since then, has built on half truths and money.Mike Shaughnessyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16796480031110991460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8247615769084489401.post-16661100847629582942008-12-01T07:51:00.000-08:002008-12-01T07:51:00.000-08:00Does this leaflet have the Guardian quote that Env...Does this leaflet have the Guardian quote that Environmental voters should vote Green (which was actually said by a LibDem in the Guardian)? Didn;t they also once make a claim about Haringey ward in another part of London to compare it to Haringey in general? (I may have my facts slghtly muddled on this one)Green Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00213685949038895130noreply@blogger.com